16:33:03 You know deep space ships, one day, which they’re just working on it come comet mining mining comment.
16:33:11 Yeah, yeah should be sure commentary I spit up a variety of chemicals that are worth harvesting, maybe even water, you know, all that stuff’s great, it’s easy, it’s easy to say that they have plans for it.
16:33:25 That’s just the incidental thing in the Expo. Like, you talk about a space for you talk about what it’s for, just bam bam bam like that, I, I’m pretty sure that’ll be me.
16:33:36 I love world building. Just let me set that one up in my opinion that should be like, and it doesn’t have to be chapter one, but it’s probably going to be the first thing that I write.
16:33:45 All right, and then you guys can start laying it out in other ways.
16:33:50 So main character is the author.
16:33:58 there’s the millionaire the general hotel manager.
16:34:08 Whoo, the bus, or not the bus, but the bellhop,
16:34:14 Captain Bell captain, head of security.
16:34:30 Made you got maids and bartenders and chefs ancillary characters but yeah yeah but it’s good to account for that but yeah they’re they’re way way way and then also how, how many how many of these positions are going to be filled by robots.
16:34:40 I would imagine a considerable amount of the manual labor, serving drinks, I thought that if the bellhop was a robot that would end up being something cool.
16:34:53 Yeah, Bart bartenders shouldn’t be robots bartenders should be human labor. Sure yeah should not be robots.
16:35:01 Okay. They do a pretty good job on the bartenders provide that that one to one conversation. So, oh yeah something that you would want to maybe the bar, maybe the bar back is a robot but the bartender is not
16:35:16 something like the idea of the bellhop being a robot but not knowing he’s a robot I don’t know if you were going that way, Alan.
16:35:23 I kind of was.
16:35:25 It’s kind of like if if someone’s mind was synthesized with, like they are a robot but they have these.
16:35:37 The hippocampus of a human being actually installed into the robot brain like they were somehow
16:35:46 transplanted to a robot but yeah like an actual human being was sacrifice.
16:35:58 Happens came into a robot body
16:35:59 scenario. Well, yeah, but it’s a standard it’s a standard cyber Park slash rakers well singularity inevitability is digital immortality, to me that’s just the sci fi trope that could be imported or or whatever, rather are robots that are robots vendors
16:36:10 androids that are like, I’m sure. And that I’m sure that it is something to play with, you know, the tension and whatever was the Android might be just as scared for its life as any of the flesh and blood that are walking around.
16:36:31 And then there’s an AI component with with, like, I guess, maybe the lunar base has a central computer.
16:36:38 Do we want to do that type of thing that that automates landings and space traffic’s.
16:36:45 Okay. Yeah, it shouldn’t live anyhow.
16:36:50 Yeah, well it’s very limited we don’t want it to be able to to open up a window and evacuate room for 242 BY Yeah.
16:37:02 We don’t want it to get silly too quickly. Maybe we do want that.
16:37:04 Haha. So because that could put the investigator in danger. Yeah, how that happened was, that’s how how 9000 from 2001. Yeah, so that that could be an interesting point where Oh, all of a sudden his window opens and he’s getting sucked out into the atmosphere,
16:37:24 and he managed to save himself, and he’s got to figure out who’s trying to kill him.
16:37:29 Yeah. all the security bots seemed to be watching him.
16:37:48 You know, and he knows that they’re watching him and they pretend not to be, but
16:37:42 it’s got to be someone important to them.
16:37:47 All the richest people are actually androids at this point in time.
16:37:55 You mean you mean the people for all now in our time. They are the ones that just slid down into home plate and got away with the immortality ski, they’re the first ones that got away with it today would be economically divine, and now they’re counting
16:38:12 their cyber medic years you know they’re they’re all warm up, I’m 200 years old, day from Thursday, but I’ve only been in the skin for in the metal skin for the last year, something like that.
16:38:27 That would be interesting.
16:38:28 Sure, is they would also be the ones that would want to cover stuff up because, you know, they wouldn’t be nice for it. Yeah, it’s like you You can’t escape justice because you die.
16:38:40 So yes, face justice for whatever they did, because you’re not human anymore does not mean you escaped justice.
16:38:48 Or are you human anymore,
16:38:54 not be that could be something to do with the characters origin story to his he would have been born in a time like well beyond, like when this all began.
16:39:05 And, you know, because he’s kind of a young guy maybe he’s like 30 or something. So sort of been born like one of the 2014 2015.
16:39:14 And, you know, and there could be implications like he got stuck.
16:39:20 I don’t know, like whatever it is like, you know, maybe he went to like state college or some pattern or what it has been, you know, I’m trying to say like he has some kind of like his character was built, because of the socio economic reasons, you know.
16:39:40 Yeah, like whatever, whatever that is.
16:39:44 Maybe his parents were stuck in indentured servitude. You know, like we could take it that way, or something.
16:39:57 Especially if there’s this whole thing about cybernetics extending your life and all that, and then.
16:40:12 Yeah, I don’t know that opens up a whole nother can of worms, you know that that’s a huge deep thing there.
16:40:12 It is not, it’s not something we have to explore tremendously. It could be something that said the distance. These trillion airs are not going to want to have normal talk.
16:40:22 Okay, the billionaires, maybe a few of them are quirky, then they want to lower themselves to talking to someone like our author author is like millionaire ish.
16:40:33 Okay, he’s doing this to further his career.
16:40:37 It turns out that he thought of it, it turns out he has sponsors to get it done. And so yes, but you know maybe he regrets the topic he chose because this stuff’s coming down on it like a hammer it out right now people are asking him questions.
16:40:52 He was researching now he’s being researched by the general like what is this book. What about his wife and daughter back on Earth.
16:41:00 Well, that’s another thing that’s if if he’s male. We have yet to decide that. Like I said, there’s plenty of questions.
16:41:11 There’s plenty of questions right here. So what is also the billionaires. They basically, first of all, they don’t need a space suit, because they’re inside of an Android body they can just walk around the moon like they’re playing skin.
16:41:27 Right. Number two, it depends on what that would be cool level right i mean it can be technologically feasible. Right. Sure.
16:41:37 Well there’s more there’s more though, so the other thing is, is they don’t have to fly back and forth between the moon and earth because they just have another body on Earth.
16:41:46 They just have to send their consciousness.
16:42:00 You know, so, where they can be in both places at once even, you know, or something like that.
16:41:59 That’s deep world building kind of
16:41:59 it suggested, it’s a good idea for fluff. And it will be bad should that the lunar satellite array helps their continuity, so that they’re updated between their two three bodies that they have, that’ll just be that
16:42:14 he can know he can know one of the characters on Earth, before he leaves. And then the guy can be can be his boss and the guy can say, I’m sending you to the moon, I’ll see you when you get there, right nothing, you know.
16:42:28 Yeah. And when you’re when you get your you turn yourself off on earth and go to the moon, you can call yourself your flicked.
16:42:37 Well, I don’t think the main character should be a, an Android I think he has to take the spaceship over, but the richest people do have like full consciousness and multiple bodies and and all that, you know, 500,000 word book.
16:42:55 So what’s the resolution, what’s the resolution, how does this end, I mean, how would it then. Well that is a wonderful question. We don’t have that we have very little that’s going on with the third act right now.
16:43:06 I began the character outline based on these either sci fi tropes or mystery tropes which is what it is sci fi mystery. Probably some elements of horrific murder sooner or later.
16:43:19 Depends on what we want to do for a rating.
16:43:22 But how it ends. I’m not sure yet, it’s it’s what our first two acts are populating nicely but our third act, it remains hollow, because we’re still putting some stops together.
16:43:39 be some with the dark side. Well, we have, we already have the golf players finding the body. And then there’s murder investigation, they find that body at the air that I like rifles idea that they find it at the end of that blog.
16:43:52 Right, okay. Alright so the vo I know what it can be alright so maybe he finds the billionaire’s body on the moon, and then therefore the juices that the consciousness inside of the cyborg billionaire is not actually the billionaire, but it was like his
16:44:11 business partner on earth that like screwed him over and took his assumed his identity, or something like that.
16:44:20 You know, because if if the billionaires bodies on the moon. We like, historically, it was shown that he got the consciousness transfer on Earth. So his body wouldn’t be on the moon, you know something, I don’t know, I’m not the body he was killed before
16:44:35 this consciousness zapping back and forth on the technology.
16:44:42 I’m taking it to complete sci fi here, and I’m saying that
16:44:48 people are able to kind of use cameras and zone in on stars and use that, you know, not not zone in but you know take like some sort of like hyper land and take the energy from stars that are billions of light years of boy, and use that to produce energy
16:45:09 and have that be powering the dark side of the moon and so there’s some some some already existing colony on the dark side of the moon.
16:45:21 That is harvesting these light waves from stars that are, you know, light years away. Do I understand that dark side of the moon is only enrolled in relation to to earner right time correct and still shines over there all the time you know every two weeks.
16:45:41 It’s like ever yeah yes true and then when it when it when the moon is empty, on our side, like the other side’s light, like basically.
16:45:51 So, doing a lunar eclipse.
16:45:56 was that so that’s during a solar eclipse.
16:46:00 That side of the moon is bright. So right, the only the only way that I think our timeline could be comfortable with the idea which I liked the idea.
16:46:09 It would have to be that there’s daily at base of the moon that we made contact with aliens, they have that kind of technology, because I don’t think that human beings will have that kind of technology in our timetable.
16:46:23 We’re talking about like on the khaki scale that’s another level of civilization.
16:46:27 We’re going in this story we’re going from zero to one, zero is the stupid stuff we’re doing now, which is just making war and killing each other and fighting over nonsense.
16:46:37 And one is we’re in space and we’re using space.
16:46:41 To the best of its ability Three, two is like you’re using the star, to the best of your ability. You know, to the point of where you’re doing amazing things with Dyson spheres and plasma and second swords and had like three is like, I’m starting to be
16:46:56 able to use gravity drives warp drives wormholes to navigate the space, you know, to get light waves or any kind of ways but this the planet requires a jump at scale.
16:47:08 So it’s cool idea it’s just it would not have to be human, it would have to be like our friends that we just met. Like 10 years ago, maybe there would be some sort of railroad system that’s set up on the moon where there’s basically a solar array that
16:47:25 travels on this railroad system across the moon that is being built by robots that follows at tracks the sun, as the moon orbits.
16:47:36 So it’s constantly getting energy.
16:47:41 You know, and it’s constantly feeding, whatever systems are running from this hotel.
16:47:51 You know, so yeah.
16:47:55 No, I’m down I’m taking notes.
16:47:55 All right, I’m taking notes for there’s an idea that the alien base maybe the aliens that live on the dark side of the moon, don’t want us going on the dark side of the moon they say you stay on your side of the moon will stay on ours.
16:48:10 So the dark side of the moon is basically off limits to humans. That’s why when he finds the dead body in the dark side of the moon he’s actually taking out his life in his hands because he could be killed at any moment by the patrolling alien set, make
16:48:25 Make sure the don’t people cross the border. Yeah, but if he’s, if, if that’s if that’s known if that’s law on the moon. Why would he go into the dark side of the moon and find the body.
16:48:42 a baby see something reflected in like just 100 yards, into the dark side it’s the guys the dead guys stay why would, why would he go though.
16:48:54 if, if that’s in effect, right why would he go over there, like life to go over there. Just Oh, well there’s there’s one thing that comes to mind.
16:49:04 What I’ll show you there is an interspecies relationship with one of the aliens.
16:49:12 So she joins him, he she enjoys him while they’re playing golf, and they get to walk over the neutral zone because she’s diplomatically, whatever. And then because of that he stumbles on the body and it turns into this whole unraveling nightmare and write
16:49:31 And right there relationship could be used to stress and tension it’s not like political like cold war tensions but practically agitating the situation, maybe hurt people are like, why are you even dating this this up right monkey.
16:49:48 They could be.
16:49:53 How would these aliens even live on the moon there’s no atmosphere. So, yeah, it doesn’t matter if they’re if first of all if they’re getting if you’re getting energy waves from from multi parsecs solar beings.
16:50:06 Yeah, well look if you want to make them have the theoretic bodies, that’s fine too. I was going to say that they have tentacles they’re not all terrible looking but they were suits.
16:50:19 Yeah, and whatever is just getting too too deep and complex So, Yeah.
16:50:26 It’s going to be a rich 50,000.
16:50:29 I mean this is stuff where you’re, you’re, in order to get this across your world building is going to be mostly hand waving, and people are going to have a lot of questions.
16:50:41 If you’re going to stay within 50,000 words.
16:50:44 Well, look, we have the parallel there, though, look, the alien base is believable. Okay. Allen had an idea and we’re like, how could we use that idea daily basis believable.
16:50:58 I’m doing the moon building outline right now as far as what it’s going to take what needs to be explained lunar base lunar rail spaceport alien base is optional, we delete Oh is that I do.
16:51:13 I know I know why I know why somebody would never go to the dark side of the moon normally is because GPS is in on that side of the moon.
16:51:22 Basically, like so, the side that faces Earth has communication with the satellites and stuff. You go to the other side, you have no communication you lose navigation, you’re basically just winging it at that point.
16:51:36 So it’s not that you wouldn’t necessarily go there but like that you wouldn’t be allowed to go there but it would be kind of like an expedition, you know, so maybe that’s why nothing is really on that side because they haven’t made the moon navigation
16:51:52 system. Yet, for some reason, they just, they focus on being on the earth side, all the time.
16:51:58 Okay, so that’s why that’s why they need the body on that side, you know, and then
16:52:12 we’re going to delete the alien base I’m like 10,000 words of Expo by so do.
16:52:10 All right, and then we’ll just keep it simple that there’s just humans and we haven’t found anything yet.
16:52:17 Humans are their various sports, but it’s a decent thing to talk about now we know no Elliot’s because the word count we want to keep it fresh too much.
16:52:25 Yeah, Yeah, so let’s get a little more particular about it, I want to understand what’s really going on on this moon in terms of numbers in terms of population.
16:52:37 Like, I imagine there’s like three mining three competing mining companies maybe with, like, 100 employees each. There’s military from like five countries, and they’re like working together, but there’s like another like 300 soldiers now and then, and
16:52:59 then there’s this hotel, and there’s tourism and you have roughly 100 people at any given time. Like, including employees and tourists and and it’s it’s pretty remote pretty exclusive still, you know.
16:53:14 Yeah, that’s fine.
16:53:17 That would be, like, the extent, unless I’m missing something if there’s other stuff going on than like you know now is, instead of Is there like a bubble like a biodome or something over this, or what.
16:53:34 It’s what it’s going to be is it’s going to be repurpose chips and concrete, 3d printed concrete.
16:53:42 The plan is they want to bring a 3d printer module up there that will print walls lunar ice that they will heat, and then they will use the lunar surface itself to create concrete.
16:53:55 And then they will make the required space. Out of those sealed structures that are like basically modular concrete, like, yeah, yeah sort of add, they’ll have other ships, like he already says he’s got ships these just going to turn into housing once
16:54:13 they get there. Like there was one trip, one trip.
16:54:18 So it’ll be there just like old, the old base. And then there’s the new base which is getting progressively more advanced. And, you know, year after year they add to it, and it’s not going to be a big deal for me that make up the timetable for the expansion,
16:54:33 because I was a surveyor, it’s like a question of subdivision sections like I’ve seen enough filed apps to know how that would work.
16:54:42 So I could design, you know lunar was that, I’m going to do that as my first chapter, like I said, it just get that over with, that we could get to the real story.
16:54:56 So we so we got the guy.
16:55:00 but who dies.
16:55:03 And why the rich Oh, You mean this this new it present time, boy.
16:55:10 Yeah, the best way to work on a whodunit story is to figure out who done it, and work backwards. Right, so you want you want to get your ending. First, so that way you know where the twists are going to go, as you’re writing it.
16:55:27 And also, what you can feasibly do as a red herring.
16:55:31 Yeah, I mean, going back on the adaptation for adaptation part. Maybe it’s the author of that dies, and the whole story is leading up to his death, and why it happened.
16:55:44 And the story is novelization of why he died.
16:55:54 I mean that would be.
16:55:57 I don’t know, maybe the guy, shaking his head no but I’ve been mulling it over.
16:56:05 Well, look, there’s no harm at talk now right, the point the point is, is that these questions with articulated in the open air. It’s the thought space, no is really easy to say.
16:56:17 The question is what is the Yes.
16:56:20 Everybody could think that way, where this meanings almost coming to a conclusion anyway, at least for me, I gotta go at eight.
16:56:28 We got a lot done with this though the outline is getting populated.
16:56:32 I’m going to do my world world building this week, I get that that first chapter of mine. Going which is going to be the loose Expo, of the, of the moon.
16:56:44 As it stands, and I’m going to venture with the spaceport to talk about the mining companies, the military, that’s involved in earth proximity and all that other stuff, and it’s going to be like a real quick thing.
16:57:01 I may extend it off to the next chapter, but anybody that wants to go all whole discussion of this is going to be done on the forums. So type it up. Everybody had to word traffic novel where this is posted.
16:57:32 Do replies to this topic, and let’s have this discussion there and put to practice the thing we’ve been preaching getting the forums going, Ricky anybody that has inspiration, add to the outline but start right in what’s your what’s your thinking.
16:57:36 And we have to listen to what Michael said about Act Three and who is what, like, like in other words, what’s the end game, if it’s going to be a mystery he’s right it’s best to reverse engineer such things you have to do that.
16:57:50 Yeah. Yeah.
16:57:53 All right. Alright, so that was spot on as hell. And now we have something to work on together, and something to post about so great. Oh, I think, Michael needs to say something but then I gotta clarify something before we go to.
16:58:09 Now Ricky I was just going to say maybe you should just copy instead of just putting a link in your JWC lunar novel post on the forum. Yeah, just leave that in there but also put a, an idea of what you’re working on.
16:58:26 Sure, so that any, any strangers who come along.
16:58:31 You know what it’s about. And it’s just a link.
16:58:36 Yeah sure, no problem. I’ll what I’ll do is I’ll put a reply to that, and I’ll throw a couple hundred words down about the nature of the project. and what it is that we’re trying to do or don’t do I edit that original post do put it in there and put it
16:58:59 Alright, so that’s good stuff. everybody has ideas hopefully burden and the views you start to think about stuff you want to do.
16:59:09 And let’s take the next week to go over that stuff and see what I wanted to clarify whether this is a Tuesday project or not. I mean, this seems like a whole side thing.
16:59:22 Like we spent a lot of time on it but, you know, I feel like any like special talk about this should be like a separate meeting specific project.
16:59:35 why it’s not business.
16:59:38 It’s a whole nother it’s turning into a whole nother project now, but yeah but every, everything will follow that model. So, I mean if we write this stuff we’re going to read this stuff on the show, like we’re going to talk about it.
16:59:54 You know, I think right these right, this is, this is, this is good stuff. I mean this is this is why these meetings occurred.
17:00:01 Yeah, I mean we’re all going to talk about our own stuff for the first hour. And then the second hour is this project I mean it’s not that big a deal.
17:00:11 You know, I mean it’s not and we just said it’s not business, we said it’s not a contest. So it’s not a contest we’re writing it for what pad maybe, theoretically, right, but it’s not a money maker so there’s no money involved.
17:00:24 Okay, because that’s why we’re allowed to talk about it.
17:00:27 We’re talking about our own creative obsessions and stuff and what I do in the contest thing, I get it. I mean I never, first of all, I never said launch the context I said plot contest.
17:00:37 Now, I understand we don’t have the personnel for that. But applauding them out and talking about it, I got my way anyway with this, I just wanted to get the creative juices flowing.
17:00:46 That’s it.
17:00:47 Because otherwise we’re going to talk about business and that’s not what we’re here to do. I mean, this will turn into business, it just does every
17:01:11 Tuesday meetings just about sharing our own work, then that’s different, but as soon as you make a group project, it turns into like an endeavor. that’s the collaboration right so
17:01:15 anybody that jumps in and halfway is going to be lost.
17:01:19 You know, so that’s why I’m saying like Tuesday shouldn’t be about, like, special projects or business stuff, it should be, you know, the general leading, you know, and then also the last thing I wanted to say was like for the swap blogging.
17:01:36 Who wants to make a meeting with me. And the next day or to write those articles, I do.
17:01:47 I’ll go into all Michael Allen, maybe Ricky.
17:01:52 Yeah. Alright.
17:01:56 Alright so when can we do it. How long do you need per hour for article to how long he kind of yeah let’s try to set two hours aside for it, and.
17:02:07 Okay, hopefully we’ll get we’ll get, we’ll get all the articles written in that amount of time. Right.
17:02:13 Two hours per person.
17:02:19 No all together you’re all going to be working. You’re basically all going to be working like at the same time on your own article but I’m going to be popping in each person’s document, and like, discussing things with you.
17:02:30 Okay, like I think it’s gonna be almost the solitary meeting I might even put you all in your own breakout room, like halfway through so that way.
17:02:39 You know, I can talk to each of you privately, or are we just have to find the time.
17:02:49 All right, well, Tom, you go first that’s tomorrow. I guess I’ll go second that’s Thursday, know everybody’s Ricky everybody’s gonna do it at the same time.
17:03:02 Yeah, I guess if they if that if that’s how the schedule works. Yeah.
17:03:07 Yeah, cuz I don’t want to spend eight hours I want to spend two hours.
17:03:13 But do we have ideas who’s got something ideas or ideas. Yeah, yeah, you all have ideas. I’m good, good works. Yeah.
17:03:22 So I just need you all to agree on a time. That’s all.
17:03:27 So when are you free tomorrow at
17:03:31 630 or show 637, something that that nature.
17:03:36 Yeah. All right, Well, I guess I could try for that.
17:03:41 Okay, that’s good for you, and then now, Alan Are you gonna, are you gonna be in tomorrow.
17:03:49 Yeah, that works tomorrow.
17:03:52 Okay, great. Alright so, so yeah.
17:03:58 Yeah, let’s plan on seven tomorrow. In the Zoom Room. Okay.
17:04:03 All right. Awesome.